Many hunters are looking for higher caliber for hunting now a day. Not enough crack for me. If you are reloading, there is even less difference in price. and i think if it wasn't for the ar-15 type guns, the 223 would not be as … I also reload. The best all around varmint cartridge though is the .22-250. History. I am not a fan of 223 for deer. save. The .223 Remington shoots small diameter, lightweight bullets at a very high velocity. This email contact address is not an "Ask the Firearms Expert" service. Quote Reply Topic: .223 or .243 Posted: November/19/2008 at 20:56 hey guys! .223 Ballistics. 223 is cheaper. Should I get a 223 or 243. A deer culler can say after shooting a couple thousand animals that 223 is enough gun for deer and it is, but in inexperienced hands a few inches makes a difference. 1. all this depends on what bullet weight your shooting but 22-250 will out shoot a 223 and be knocking on the back door of the 243. The 243 does sound pretty good sounds like I will get more milage out of it. I will mainly be using the gun for fox plus deer hopefully! Nonetheless, I hope that reviews about it Super Rifle Jeans Vintage And 223 Or 243 Rifle will become useful. 1. I have never owned .223, but have .222, and if ever I am going foxing I always pick up the .243, it is one of the most versatile rounds, I disagree with the statement made by al4x by the way, about "you can do all species of deer ", personally I always pick. My Tikka T3 in .243, shooting 85gn Sierra gamekings, culled 8 Munties and 47 foxes last year ! the 243 would be less effected by wind drift then the 223. and it is a better deer/antelope/varmint gun then the 223. but as bub has said if its for coyote only go with the 22-250. i have both the 243 and 22-250,and both are great guns.myself i don't care for the 223,having had both ar-15s and bolt action rifles. Bad experience can come from wounding an animal with to smaller caliber aswell that may put her off for life. I was looking at a savage stevens model 200 in .223, maybe putting a tasco target/varmint 4=12x scope on top. When i got my .243 its was not an option to shoot small Deer with .223 but if i was in your shoes i would still go .243 and keep that Roe/Fallow option. Mate i reckon go for the 223. The best all around varmint cartridge though is the .22-250. I shoot 200 yards out back with all of them. Saying this we were in the shop chatting for 45 mins & I genuinely believe he had my best interest at heart. im looking for a ligt recoil heavy barreled rifle that will get out to 400-600 yards! I own both a .223 rem (AR-15) and a .243 win (NEF handi-rifle), I have taken plenty of varmints with both as well as a few deer with the .243 win. Soon after the release of the .223 Remington as a commercial cartridge, shooters began experimenting with the cartridge in an attempt to improve its performance. It is easy on the ears and shoulder, easy to shoot well, and easy on the pocket book. I just dont feel the love for Savage, although they are rumored to be shooters. The .243 Win. its outstanding clarity and light gathering capabilities are extremley good. I'd go 243 and spend less on the scope (although I have a Monarch on my 243 and it is nice). 223 vs 243 vs 270. I have a 3-18x 42 Illuminated with 35mm tube, and I have to say the optics quality is amazing. If you still feel you are qualified to post in those subforums, please contact "Shane Tuttle" (the mod for that portion of TFL) via Private Message for assistance. I would go for the .243 if I had to choose. If you don't plan to shoot Deer much, then rezeroing isn't a problem because you're not going to be changing that often. Not shooting normal loads anyway. Not a varmint bullet) you will be fine. report. Stealth Stalker, Performance varies with barrel length, but typical .223 ballistics with factory ammo are a 50gr bullet at 3,345fps (1,242 ft-lbs), a 55gr bullet at 3,240fps (1,282 ft-lbs), and a 62gr bullet at 3,100fps (1,323 ft-lbs)..308 Ballistics It is plenty big enough for muntjack with a well done bullet. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. .243 thoughts, I all ready have a 243 in a pump, however another in a bolt gun wouldnt hurt. As for the scope well it'd have to be a leupold with a standard duplex cross air as it's the states but I'd recommend Europeon Glass like a schmidt and that is really expensive ,in fact alot dearer over the pond . Not a real big fan of their music, but I know they sure can put on a show. .243 will more than likely be your typical rifle platform. Others are the 30-06, and the US 30 Gov are the same, the 308 and the 7.62x51mm are the same. Pros of using a .223 caliber Rifle. I think the .243 is pushing the limits on Fallow, with no margin for error. The 243 has a wider range of bullet weights allowing for use on varmints or medium size game animals. Even though there is a price diff in ammo between .223 & .243 you are not going to be spraying bullets around all the time so cost isn't realy a factor, as it will take a lot of shoots to mount up to the same as buying 2 rifles if you later go for a .308 for Fallow and Reds. 223 vs 243 vs 270. by petemacsydney » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:59 pm Anybody got advice on 223 vs 243 vs 270? The other option as someone else mentioned is a switch barrel gun. Typical factory loaded, it can propel a 55 grain (3.56 g) spritzer bullet at 3.680 ft/s (1.122 m/s) with 1.654 ft-lbf (2.243 J) of energy, while many other loads with lighter bullets are used to achieve velocities of over 4.000 ft/s (1.219 m/s) and still having effective energy for use in … Personally I'd leave vermin to rimfire and go .243 then you have all bases and species covered if you decide to shoot deer other than muntjack. Your .223 will only collect dust if you get both I feel. 6.5 creed is worth a look in my opinion. I can't see myself shooting the bigger deer, but then again before I joined Pigeon Watch I certainly couldn't see myself getting a firearms licence & owning ferrets, where's it all gonna end. both calibers are capable well beyond 300 yards with heavy bullets and a fast barrels. This email link is to reach site administrators for assistance, if you cannot access TFL via other means. The .243 sends a bigger bullet down range and is a great long range flat shooting round in a small package capable and legal to shoot deer with. Not too many ranges around here longer than 100 yards, so .223 would be "adequate" I'm sure. 2 AR's and a bolt 223. Not to say that a .223 couldn't handle it, but it's something to take into consideration when you're taking advice from people who may shoot coyotes half the size of what you may be shooting. Ammo will cost more than .223. Thinking about the CZ-550 American with single set trigger in .243, but I have no real knowledge of this rifle other than my experience with the CZ-452 Varmint/17HMR (all good). Should I get a 223 or 243. The .243 win isn't as affected by wind as the other two calibers. Ammo will cost more than .223. With the 200 grain subsonic, recoil on the 300 Blackout is just barely more than 223 if you have same-weight rifles. In your case for Ohio I would go with the 223 in that rifle rather than the 243, unless you may venture out of Ohio to hunt deer, and prong horn, the the 243 Win is a far better cartridge. my 1st kill was with a .243 n it killed it dead. Bullet cost about the same, maybe a bit more for quality 243 bullets. × Powered by Invision Community, People here on Pigeon Watch aren't trying to sell you anything. I shoot 68 and i also have a awesome load for 75 A-Max also. 6.5 creed is worth a look in my opinion. Unfortunately they had just sold there last Tikka, I would stick with the PW advice so far, and go for the .243. Another vote for the .243 .......Ideally you'll need to get in to homeloading to get the best potential Fox round and this calibre comes with a very broad portfolio in that department......For Deer the 105 grn SP factory ammo should be OK there. I tend to use the .22-250 for most occasions, but the .243 is hard to beat for long range shots when the wind likes to buck a 43 grain .224 caliber bullet all over the place. It is perfect for fox and rabbits, especially if you handload. The noticeable difference to me was the ammo cost, the 223 being lower vs 243. Re: Bolt action .223 vs .243 for 100-200 yard target shooting .223 it is! Display as a link instead, × 600yds doesn't seem like much of a problem for .223 on yotes. Posted by 4 hours ago. If your brother in law is willing to carry a scope for you from the US, I would highly recommend looking at, the IOR range of scopes. As long as you use the correct bullet type (i.e. All I can say is you lucky ****** B) Why not just have both and then decide before you go out which quarry species you are going after. Personally (and this is my opinion) I would stick with the .243 for deer. $250 plus some scope mounts/rings. I have .223, .243, 30/30 and even a Savage 99 in 300 Savage. Best of both worlds then. I'm going to buy a Remmie 700 VSF, I reckon. I will predominantly be shooting rabbits & foxes & hopefully a few muntjac. The reasons are … Since you say that you want this gun for fox and rabbits primarily, the 223 is a no brainer. Pelty's usual gun shop in Barnet, he's alot cheaper than my local. Go with the 223. 67 posts • Page 1 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. theres the dilema and a half. groundhogs yeah cause 98% you hit the ground but coyote you send that clean through it and into the woods or fields still doing 2k fps with the 243. shoul i get my handi rifle in .223 ir .243 i will be hunting deer,yotes,foxs,bobcats and potintuly wild hogs. Assuming you have a rimmy of some sort, I'd get the .243 because it covers the Deer species better. The 243 was better in windy conditions. Hot factory ammo through 243 isn't really "plink all day funzone", especially if the rifle is on the lighter side. as my 3.5-10x42 30mm Swarovski for clarity, and better for dusk/dawn light gathering. for $5 a box for 20 223 rounds vs $30 for 20 243rds id take the 223 any day and just limit my shots to 250 and under. Upload or insert images from URL. From a cost effective standpoint for yotes and paper the .223 slaps the .243 in the face. Whoever told you .243 was too much for small deer was talking rubbish. but a .243 works good And the 223 can be a freakin laser beam in the sort of ranges you mentioned. Right now I've got a 223 AI barrel. First off, as the OP notes, the straight our ballistics questions is clear. produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. "Agricultural" in that they are as solid as a rock, you feel you could drive a truck over them without damaging the scope. Under 600 yards, however, the .220 Swift is champ because of it's flat trajectory. report. I own an AR15 in .223, a singe shot .243 Winchester, and a Weatherby Vanguard in a .22-250 Remington. Generally riles for the .223 caliber bullet rifles are comfortable to use and it enables you to shoot from a suitable angle. He is right about changing zero for different bullet wieghts, but you shouldn't need to change bullet weight for fox or the smaller deer. the jackals are about the same size as a coyote in here the U.S. and the springbok is about the size as a small deer here the 243 will be a flatter shooting and more fps.and more energy with a heavier slugs. ! Yes a 243 will work too, but it costs 3x as much to shoot and is overkill when it comes to rabbits. 55 gn is the most common for everyone to buy but by no means do you have to shoot that weight. .223 is plenty for coyote, and kills paper just as dead as anything else. There seems to be this myth always leading to a 55 gn bullet.. Several of these experimenters necked up the .223 Remington to 6mm as the .243 inches (6.17 mm) caliber bullets provided better external ballistic performance over .224 inches (5.69 mm) caliber bullets. I appreciate all the advice guys I'm 90% sure I'm going for the .243, If it all gets to much for you take a walk out the back, i'm sure they have a spare room for you and you could shoot the Bunnies through the bars of your padded cell. Don't forget you may pick up some Roe stalking and your .223 won't be any use for that this side of the border. It is mostly up to you on personal preference and availability. Should I get a 223 or 243. But when it comes to deer, why not just get a 30 caliber gun and call it a day. .22 C/F for small deer species is here in October. September 18, 2007 in Guns & Equipment. I have shot no end of Muntjac and never noticed too much meat damage. Clear editor. 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